On the day that dozens of London Midland train services have been cancelled or altered due to driver shortages, rail commentators have met in Birmingham to discuss the state of the region's railways.
The organisers of the conference, Railfuture, have said that they sympathise with London Midland's situation.
John Balmforth, West Midlands Branch Chairman of Railfuture, said: "If a driver can leave to work for another company... it's very attractive. That then leaves London Midland having to replace that driver and you can't just pluck somebody off the streets to do it."
The conference took place at the Church Centre on Carrs Lane, in Birmingham City Centre.
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