A former North East MP says a job is no longer a guarantee of escaping poverty.
That is one of the conclusions of a new report from the ex Labour Cabinet Minister Alan Milburn, who now chairs the Social Mobility and Child Poverty Commission.
Mr Milburn says poverty is a problem for many working families due to stagnant wages and the rising cost of living.
However, he told Helen Ford that 'deprivation needn't be destiny' and said education was one way to tackle the problem:
The former Health Secretary Alan Milburn joins Helen Ford at Westminster, to discuss the challenges of his new role as Chairman of the Social Mobility and Child Poverty Commission.
Also in the programme, a panel of MPs look ahead to next month's Police Commissioner elections, and ask whether a Yes/No vote really will settle the question of independence for Scotland.