Ian Brady is rambling through the afternoon session of his mental health tribunal.
He's talking about what he describes as "recreational killing".
"I'm as pragmatic as a soldier or a politician", he said. "You don't see any regret from Tony Blair, in fact he's making a fortune from his war crimes."
"I'm a comparative petty criminal to global serial killers like Blair and Bush," he added.
He said the moors murders were an "existential experience" for him.
Moors murderer Ian Brady has been told he cannot be transferred to prison from the maximum security hospital where he is being held.
Yesterday, I said Ian Brady didn't strike me as having a "chilling or sinister" presence any more. I'm reviewing that opinion now.
Moors murderer Ian Brady has spoken publicly for the first time in almost 50 years while giving evidence at his mental health tribunal.