Ian Brady is rambling through the afternoon session of his mental health tribunal.
He's talking about what he describes as "recreational killing".
"I'm as pragmatic as a soldier or a politician", he said. "You don't see any regret from Tony Blair, in fact he's making a fortune from his war crimes."
"I'm a comparative petty criminal to global serial killers like Blair and Bush," he added.
He said the moors murders were an "existential experience" for him.