PR expert Max Clifford has told jurors he had sex in his office but only with a woman he was having an affair with.
Southwark Crown Court heard he had a relationship with an employee while married - something he said seemed "natural" because so many other people in his industry were also having affairs.
Giving evidence in his trial for a string of alleged indecent assaults, he said: "As and when and if something happened in the office it would have been very, very occasional, spontaneous, after work with the doors locked.
"We went to hotels and motels, we went abroad...it was a relationship," he said.
Earlier, the court heard recordings of Mr Clifford's interviews with police, during which he said he had engaged in "slap and tickle" in his office but denied having sex there.