The First Minister says the Welsh Government needs to know exactly what changes are planned to the benefits system. Carwyn Jones used a meeting with Nick Clegg and ministers from Scotland and Northern Ireland to raise concerns that Wales will see bigger proportional benefit cuts than elsewhere.
But he said the biggest initial problem was lack of detail:
Leaving aside the the principle of welfare reform, the message we gave was that we need to know what's going on. At the moment it's not clear. Whilst welfare reform is a matter for the UK Government, it does impact on areas that are devolved - the education maintenance allowance for example. We just need to know what's going on. We didn't get that certainty today.
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