The First Minister has hit back at criticism from Welsh language campaigners, saying some of the problems facing the language need to be fully explored - the thinking behind his 'Big Conversation' on the future of Welsh.
"We had Y Gynhadledd Fawr in July. We had huge number of people there - thousands of people literally sending their responses" says Carwyn Jones.
"These things are important. It's alright to say you've got do something, but the first thing to do is find out what people think is right to do and that's what that Y Gynhadledd Fawr did - to actually put in place a process where you listen to people first and then of course get things moving."
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