London's search for a remedy to knife crime continues. With lives still being lost in the capital some say the time for lessons has passed. But last year Scottish Government figures showed the number of annual homocides had fallen by 39 per cent in ten years.
But the statistics don't tell the full story. What about the crimes that go unreported for example and what do the figures say about the public health approach - this idea that violence is preventable. It's the approach that London is committed to.
Aged 19, Gerry spent six years in prison for three serious assaults with a knife.
The cafe project 'Street & Arrow' hires people with convictions for twelve month blocks.
Lib Peck is less than six months into her new job - Head of London's Violence Reduction Unit.
Glasgow is much further along its journey - while London is just at the start with many frustrated it's going to take a long time.
Gerry describes this project as a second chance - a prospect the Head of the VRU may not have - not when people are desperate for change.