The rise in the number of people sleeping rough across Wales is due to UK Government welfare reforms, according to the communities secretary.
He said the reforms have had a 'transformational' effect on our communities.
I wouldn't call that a criticism... I would say it's a message from Michael Sheen to the government. I think what he's saying - my interpretation of that - is that we should be very conscious of the fact that Supporting People is a significant budget that helps vulnerable people across our communities and he's saying that their leadership would show that it's an important thing to keep for the future. The First Minister will have heard that very clearly.
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