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  • Episode: 

    1 of

  • Title: 

    Caitlyn Jenner
  • Transmission (TX): 

    Thu 04 Jan 2018
  • TX Confirmed: 

    Yes
  • Time: 

    9.00pm - 10.00pm
  • Week: 

    Week 01 2018 : Sat 30 Dec - Fri 05 Jan
  • Channel: 

    ITV
  • Status: 

    Returning
TV personality and Olympic gold-medal winning decathlete Caitlyn Jenner spoke candidly to Piers Morgan about her extraordinary life for Piers Morgan’s Life Stories. 
 
Caitlyn, who began life as Bruce Jenner, spoke openly about her struggle with gender identity, how she considered suicide and her transition to become the woman she is today.
 
She opened up about being on a reality TV show, living with the Kardashian family, and her feud with her ex-wife and stepchildren. 
 
Caitlyn also spoke about her three marriages and whether she would date now.
 
Gender Identity
 
Speaking about being transgender, Caitlyn who is Piers Morgan’s first ever transgender guest said: “Actually Piers we have a lot to talk about because I think you represent a lot of people out there who don’t understand this issue and exactly what it is.”
 
“It is a terribly complicated issue,  I didn't even understand it for many, many years.”
 
Piers asked whether Caitlyn considered herself to be entirely a woman, she replied: “Well pretty much biologically I am. My journey to womanhood is different. It took me a long time to get here. Caitlyn has always been around in my life but she always lived inside.”
 
Asked whether it was a huge relief to have transitioned, Caitlyn said: “Huge. My life is so simple now, it’s just a joke, honestly. It does take me a little longer to get ready in the morning.”
 
On being Bruce Jenner
 
Piers asked Caitlyn what parts of Bruce Jenner still manifested in her. Caitlyn said: “He lives now inside. He’s still around. I still race cars, I’ve flown airplanes for the last 40 years, I still do it. My golf game.”
 
She added: “I can still hit the ball long I’m thankful that Bruce is still around for that.”
 
 “I do a lot of things that Bruce used to do, just look a lot better doing it!”
 
When asked how often people still called her Bruce or ‘he’, Caitlyn said: “It happens quite a bit. I was Bruce for a long time, ok, in the public eye. People will make mistakes and that’s, it’s fine. Plus my voice, I really didn’t do anything to my voice I kind of left it the way it was. I’m not going to have vocal chord surgery or just go and try to change it and this and that. It’s too much, it’s a little bit left of what Bruce was.”
 
Piers asked Caitlyn whether she would date a man or a woman now, she replied: “Oh God Piers you’re coming up with all of this stuff! It would be with a person. I don’t know.”
 
She continued: “But it is kind of fun to see the world from the other side, girls I’m getting it ok. I mean I remember the first time I got a catcall, I was in my Porsche and I stopped at the light and this guy in a pickup truck, I see him pull up beside, I look over and the guy is blowing kisses at me and I’m going, ‘you idiot, you have no idea what you are doing right now’. It’s so stupid.  I’m sorry girls I apologise for men. I’m sorry I was one of them.”
 
“It was just like, ‘oh this is so ridiculous’. Right down to the catcalls, they just don’t know that I can outrun them. And I will catch up, yeah I’ll punch them, outrun them, they have no idea what they are dealing with.”
 
On winning Olympic gold
 
Caitlyn spoke about the moment she won the Olympic gold medal and then went back to her hotel room and stood naked in the mirror. 
 
She said: “Well actually it was a really tough moment for me, certainly very proud of what I did and accomplished, but for me I was thinking, oh my God I created this character, Olympic champion this and am I stuck with him for the rest of my life now? Am I ever going to have the opportunity to be myself? And at that time I didn’t think I would.”
 
She continued: “And it scared me, it was kind of frightening. I did a lot of public speaking and I would be up on stage and talking about winning and pressure, and I would be up there having brought panties on underneath, pantyhose whatever, because I could hide it under my suit, just to feel a little bit better about myself. And a lot of times I’d go back up the room, crossdress and I could sneak out or maybe walk around the hotel, just be free for a few minutes. That’s the way I just kind of survived all those years.”
 
On her body transformation
 
Piers asked how her physique compared now to what it was like when she was Bruce and joked that obviously certain areas were different.
 
Caitlyn said: “See you made a comment there and that’s why you would get in trouble. OK, you just said, ‘oh certain areas’. OK. That to a trans person is disrespectful.”
 
“You don’t make a joke about [it]. Because it’s not funny. It’s life. It’s part of my life and it’s a very serious part of my life and I take that very seriously and so out of respect to myself and the community, it’s not something that you joke about. It’s something as I said before -  [this is] serious stuff, people die over these issues. It’s not a joke.”
 
Piers said: “It’s genuinely educational. It is. It is a complex issue. I would think I could make a flippant remark and you would laugh. You didn't and I respect that.”
 
Caitlyn replied: “Yeah it’s, there was a lot of pain in my life that I dealt with and it wasn’t a joke and all the things that I have done I take very seriously because it affects a lot of people. Even at one point I thought about suicide, that was kind of the easy way out. But I just thought how stupid is that, I don’t want to silence my voice. I want my voice to be heard and I want to see if I can make a difference.”
 
On her first wife Chrystie
 
Talking about her first wife Chrystie, Caitlyn said: “We met in college, we got married and then moved to San Jose.”
 
She added: “It was a normal wedding. We did end up in McDonalds. We got married in Lamoni, Iowa, and we got there so late and we were so hungry that we actually wound up going to McDonalds that night.”
 
On how Chrystie felt when she found out about Caitlyn’s gender issues, she said: “I didn’t talk to her before we were married about it because I thought it was pretty much under control.”
 
She also said Chrystie caught her raiding her wardrobe and wearing her clothes. Caitlyn said: “I got caught a couple of times, not many, but I did get caught a couple of times.”
 
On Chrystie’s reaction to this, Caitlyn said: “She was not excited. I was probably more horrified than she was. I didn’t look very good!”
 
When asked whether she felt guilty about not being completely honest with Chrystie, Caitlyn said: “She knew something about it but she didn’t know the intensity and it would change. I always have tried to be a really good person, a morally sound, good person, but it’s very difficult when you’re constantly hiding all these things inside of you.”
 
Second wife Linda
 
Caitlyn met second wife Linda at the Playboy mansion and they had two sons.
 
When asked what sort of father she had been to her children, Caitlyn said: “Overall I’ve had certain times I wasn’t as good a person as I should have been at that time in my life. I did have four kids and I just didn’t see them very much. I was kind of struggling with myself. Of course it was selfish, of course it was selfish. I was too busy dealing with myself.”
 
Speaking about the time she first tried transitioning, Caitlyn explained the catalyst for her attempt. 
 
She said: “I just didn’t fit in in the world anywhere, I didn’t fit in the male side, I didn’t fit in with the female side. For the next six years I was going to therapy, I’m on hormones, I’m trying to figure my life out, what I’m going to do. I totally isolated myself from the world and then got to 39 after having the beard removed and this and that and said, ‘I can’t do it, I just can’t do it’ It wasn’t time within society, it wasn't time for me, it just wasn’t time so I stopped hormones and stuff like that.”
 
Piers asked Caitlyn about Chrystie and Linda both having babies just 12 months apart and had it been a ‘complicated’ situation.  
 
Caitlyn said: “It’s not that complicated. No it’s not Piers you are making more of it than it really is, 12 months apart. I was never a part of little Casey’s life. “[It made me feel] a little sad but today I have a good relationship with Casey, she is a wonderful woman.”
 
Caitlyn’s relationship with her mum: 
 
Caitlyn spoke about her relationship with her mother who described the transition as ‘gaining a daughter’. She said: “Our relationship is better now, between my mum and I, because I don’t have to lie to her anymore.”
 
“When you’re honest to everybody, to yourself, number one, to everybody else around you, honestly it works and so my relationship with my mother got better because I didn’t need to hide anything. I could just be myself every day so that’s a gift.”
 
Speaking about the now famous Vanity Fair cover Piers says: “I remember it appearing on social media and going ‘wow’ and I will also admit my first thought was ‘she looks hot’”
 
Looking at the cover, Piers reiterates: “You look hot Caitlyn.”
 
Caitlyn said: “I think I look hot! It won cover of the year for all magazines world-wide it was the number one cover. That was quite a moment I thought wow!”
 
She added: “Yes it’s not so much just a beautiful woman [on the cover] it was just me.”
 
Her children’s reaction to her transitioning
 
Speaking about the reaction from her children on her transition, Caitlyn said: “When you have 10 of them, everybody is a little different in the way they have handled all of this sort of stuff. When I decided to transition I brought each kid into my house one at a time. I didn't want them to gang up on me.”
 
On which child took it best, Caitlyn said: “Brandon took it best. He’s my oldest son from Linda and he goes, ‘Dad I’ve always been so proud to be your son, I’ve never been more proud of you than I am right now.’ And I said, ‘wow’"
 
She continued: “And it was pretty much that way all the way through the kids. The only one that I haven’t really had a relationship with since that was Khloe. I’ve just haven’t even talked to her in a couple of years. It is terribly, terribly sad.”
 
On her relationships with the Kardashians 
 
Piers asked Caitlyn whether she now had no relationship with any of the Kardashian sisters, Caitlyn said: “Yeah I really don’t talk to them anymore. The only ones I’m really concerned about are Kendall and Kylie, yeah they are biological kids. Although the Kardashians, I spent 23 years of my life carpooling those kids around, raising them, taking care of them.”
 
Relationship with ex-wife Kris
 
When asked whether she still loved ex-wife Kris, she said: “There’s still a special place in my heart for her, yeah absolutely. Is it love? No not any more it’s just a special place in your heart.”
 
When asked whether it was true Caitlyn had misled Kris when they got married as she had already attempted to transition once and then stopped. Caitlyn said: “I definitely told her, I even dressed up with her. I had been on hormones for four and a half years.”
 
Piers asked if she had breasts, Caitlyn said: “Yeah and it's kind of tough to hide that so yeah I was honest to that point.”
 
She continued: “I told her before I ever slept with her, obviously I had to.”
 
When asked how she told Kris, Caitlyn said: “I don’t remember, [joking she added] ‘hey guess what? There is more to me than the eye may see!’ I honestly don’t even remember the conversation, I just brought it up.”
 
“Well it obviously happened.”
 
On whether Kris ever thought Bruce would transition, Caitlyn said: “No, or either did I. I didn’t leave Kris to go transition, not even close, I thought I would never be able to do this, ok, but people change. I actually text Kris Happy Birthday. She says, ‘I appreciate that thank you’,  so we’ll slowly work our way back. It’ll be fine in the long run.”
 
On whether Caitlyn enjoyed having sex with women, she said: “You’ll probably have to ask them. No, it’s never been an important part of my life.”
 
Piers then said to tell him if he was going too far but did she have sex now.
 
Caitlyn responded: “You’re going too far. And it’s absolutely none of your business.”
 
On the feud with the Kardashians
 
Piers also questioned Caitlyn on claims that the version of her book The Secrets Of My Life that was sent to Kim Kardashian had a few pages missing from it. When asked if that was true, Caitlyn said: “No."
 
Piers said: “So you sent her the entire book?”
 
Caitlyn replied: “Except for the last few pages when I talked about gender confirmation.”
 
Piers said: “They didn’t know that you had actually had the surgery?”
 
Caitlyn said: “No I didn’t tell anybody. Why? It’s none of their business."
 
Asked whether she really thought it was not the business of her ex-wife and kids, Caitlyn said: “No it’s not that big a deal.” 
 
“Nobody knows. I had to be honest, the book is about honesty. It’s called The Secrets of My Life.”
 
She continued: “No it really wasn’t a big deal. I had already been living as Caitlyn for a year and a half, ok, nobody knows anything.”
 
When pushed by Piers on whether writing in the book that she had transitioned but not sending that section of the book to the Kardashians ahead of publication was ‘wilfully deceptive’, Caitlyn said: “Because I didn’t want them to leak it to the press. Ok. And there was no reason for them to know about it.”
 
Piers asked whether she didn’t trust the Kardashians, Caitlyn said: “Of course not  - of course I didn’t trust them, yeah.”
 
Piers then asked Caitlyn whether, with hindsight, she would have done things differently and told them about the surgery despite not trusting that they wouldn’t leak it to the press. 
 
Caitlyn said: “That’s enough about that. Don’t even talk about the surgery."
 
“And I’ve said I’m not going to talk about it anymore.”
 
“Out of respect to me and respect to the community but that’s why I don’t talk about it. But I don’t go into details at all.”
 
Caitlyn added: “I hate to inform the Kardashians that the book was not about them.”
 
Piers joked: “That’s probably what really pisses them off.”
 
When asked whether Kendall and Kylie talk to her now, Caitlyn said: “Oh all the time, everyday.”
 
On the animosity between her and Kris and the Kardashian girls, Caitlyn said: “It’s not even a problem, I just don’t communicate with them like I used to.”
 
“Well it hurts but it’s not the end of the world. Fortunately I have a lot of children.”
 
On finding love
 
Speaking about romance and dating, Caitlyn said: “No, dating is… my life is very busy and I’ve had three marriages. I have 10 children, I’ve got 12 or 13 of the grandchildren.”
 
When Piers asked whether she wanted to find love again as a woman, she said: “No I don’t think  I would ever ... I just don’t see it. I don’t see it in my future.”
 
Caitlyn also dispelled rumours that she was dating transgender woman Sophia Hutchins. She said: “Sophia Hutchins? No we are not dating, we are friends. I can have friends can’t I? Of course I can, thank you.”
 
Ending the interview, Piers said he had learnt a lot, adding: “The one thing I would say in conclusion is Bruce Jenner was a hell of a guy, and Caitlyn Jenner you’re a hell of a woman!”